Confused About Salt-Free Water Conditioners?
Mark, I've read a couple of your posts and it seems to me there are a lot of people out there that are looking for salt-free water softener/conditioner. I've looked at Easy Water and had a response from a representative. I feel that Easy Water doesn't work as it is more or less a gimmick. On the other hand, Pelican* NaturSoft (was looking at combo series) seems plausible but according to what you've mentioned in your posts it doesn't do what the web site stated. The representative I spoke with indicated that the hardness number will not change after the system is installed (which would be a fact) and the minerals would still be present but crystallized so I don't get the hard water side effects.
Does that mean I'd use less soap, etc? And how long would the minerals remain crystallized? Also, the web site indicated that the build up (scale) in the copper pipes will eventually be removed after the system is installed and apparently with water softener the existing scale doesn't go away and it simply slows down the scale build-up. Granted, it's very difficult decision to make and I certainly don't want to make an expensive mistake.
A family friend has water softener for years and she mentioned she has Kinetico. It doesn't require electricity and, apparently, it is replenished with salt once a year. I know Kinetico makes quality systems however I heard they are very expensive, perhaps overpriced. I'm not entirely sold on the idea of the soapy feeling. I'm guessing I need some more answers before I make a decision.
I know I do have hard water and I don't recall the numbers when I had a local company come by to test the water and tried to sell me water softener. When I told the salesman that I will think about it and almost on a daily basis I get a call from him asking whether I have made a decision. He was pretty pushy and I decided to put it off (been a year now) and I know I need a system to treat hard water and prolong appliances that are only a few years old as well as filtered water at every tap. Not to mention, easier to clean in the bathrooms especially the shower stalls.
Thanks for your time. -Ethan
The Water Doctor replied: Ethan, I have been getting this question quite a lot, and so I have decided to re-visit this issue in this blog. The two companies you mentioned (Easy Water and Pelican) are the two main companies that we get questions about, although there are a multitude of other companies selling similar products. First of all, I think that it needs to be established that the two companies you mentioned are what I call "One-Trick-Ponies" and I don't necessarily mean that as a bad thing, I just mean that they basically sell ONE PRODUCT - Salt-Free Water Treatment Systems. Oh, they may say that they have a few other products, but they essentially have one product which they "push." That is the biggest difference between US Water and these companies - we have the largest selection of water treatment products on the planet BECAUSE THERE IS NO ONE TECHNOLOGY WHICH SOLVES EVERY WATER PROBLEM.
Many people say that the Easy Water system, and systems like them do not work. That is not my position - I think there is some validity to the technology, however it does not work like they insinuate, and now we have proof!
First of all, the technology behind Easy Water is Electromagnetic or Radio Frequency (RF). Electromagnetic Technology (ET) consists of a wire wrapped around the water pipe that transmits electronic frequencies (a magnetic field) and claims to precipitate hardness into aragonite crystal, forming a soft scale as opposed to calcite. While the exact mechanism is not clear, it is theorized that dissolved oxygen, silica and the carbonate ion may play a role.
The Pelican system uses a process which may be characterized as similar to Template Assisted Crystallization (TAC). US Water has a product called the Green Wave which utilizes a process substantially the same as TAC, called MEP (Matrix Enabled Particularization). Pelican uses a similar method. Filtersorb SP3 and nextScaleStop are also two similar methods or media. These methods employ a special surface-treated resin bead to act as a catalytic nucleation site for the conversion and growth of hardness crystals, which are subsequently released and remain in solution without forming scale.
In a recent study, funded by the Water Research Foundation (which is still on-going and not yet complete), it was found that the TAC Technology reduced scale by 96.4 percent, while the electromagnetic technology only reduced sale by 41.7%. By my math, the electromagnetic technology was less than half as effective. Do you want a product that reduces scale by 96% or 41%? I think that's an easy answer. Force fields work in Star Trek, but maybe not so well in water treatment!
Assuming that Pelican has viable technology (and I am not saying that they do - just assuming so), I have problems with the way they market their products. On the site where they have their products for sale, they say the following: "The Pelican NaturSoft Salt Free Water Softener is the most environmentally conscious hard water softening/conditioning system available."
According to the Water Quality Association (WQA) "softened water" "is water that contains less than one grain per gallon (gpg) of hardness ions." Therefore, any device that is effective in reducing the water hardness to less than one gpg is a softener. Conversely, and water treatment device that does not reduce the hardness of the water to less than 1 gpg cannot be called a softener and it does not produce soft water. Pelican says that they have "naturally softened water, without salt" and calls their product a water softener. It may condition the water, but it absolutely doesn't soften the water by causing it to contain less than 1 gpg hardness ions. In fact, they go on to say: "The Pelican Natursoft keeps the healthy minerals in the water so you can enjoy naturally softened water." Naturally softened water contains no minerals and they say that they keep the minerals in the water, so the two statements are contradictory and misleading.
Pelican may be a water "conditioner" but to call it a water "softener" is extremely misleading to the consumer. I have tested both Easy Water and Pelican and can find no basis for claims that you will use less soaps and detergents or that you will have whiter and brighter clothes. I know that they have some glowing testimonials, but I wonder if some of the endorsements are by people who have seen these "little green men" as well. Also, when looking at a Pelican NaturSoft Combo System, look at the size of the tanks. On the carbon tank, they say that theirs is 11" x 57.5" for the 15 GPM Model. A tank that size holds 1.5 cu/ft of carbon. Each cubic foot of carbon will successfully treat up to 5 GPM. Oh, you can get more water than that through it, but it won't be properly de-chlorinated. They don't have any specifications on their pre-filter but it looks to be a 4.5" x 10" while the Green Wave has a 4.5" x 20" - Twice the Size! Let's compare the Pelican Combo with the US Water Green Wave Plus:
Pelican | Green Wave | |
Model | PSE-2000 | GWP-1500 |
Maximum Flow Rate | 15 GPM | 15 GPM |
Pre-Filter Size | 4.5 x 10 | 4.5 x 20 |
Pre-Filter Type | String | Pleated |
Carbon Tank | 10 x 54 | 13 x 65 |
Amount of Carbon | 1.5 cu/ft | 3.0 cu/ft |
Scale Tank | 10 x 54 | 10 x 54 |
Cost | $2,349 | $2,295 |
You can't expect to properly de-chlorinate and treat 15 GPM with 1.5 cu/ft of carbon. PERIOD! The Green Wave Plus has a prefilter TWICE THE SIZE, an upflow carbon filter TWICE THE SIZE and costs less. What do you think makes the most sense? You can't cheat "contact time" in carbon filtration. You have to have a properly sized tank and the right quantity of carbon. If not, the water will be wet, but it won't be properly filtered and some contaminants will pass through. Insofar as soft water verses conditioned water, here's a chart as to what each product will do:
So, you have a choice: You can eliminate scale with the proper type of salt-free water conditioner or with a salt-based water softener. Some salt-free conditioners as well as some salt-based water softeners will also remove chorine and chemicals, but if you want to use up to 50% or 60% less soaps, cleansers, shampoos, detergents and things like that, your only choice is a salt-based water softener. It simply isn't happening with a salt-free system, no matter what the people who have seen the little green men say (I call them the "lunatic fringe"). Some people say "I want to be green and don't want to put salt back into the environment." That's a noble thought, and it's not the salt that's the problem, it's the chloride, but let me ask another question:
If you are "green" and don't use salt when you have hard water, you will end up using 50% more soaps, detergents, chemicals and water conditioning chemical compounds and THOSE ARE DISCHARGED BACK INTO THE ENVIRONMENT - Which is worse? Think about it. Maybe now you will understand why we sell a full line of water treatment products, including salt-free water conditioners, as well as salt-based water softeners. We aren't "one-trick-pony" and we tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Michaud, Chubb, Softening Alternatives, Water Conditioning & Purification Journal, January 2011.
* - Pelican is a registered trademark of Pelican Water Technologies.
US Water Systems has no affiliation with the company.
69 Comments
Mark
From you website (https://www.uswatersystems.com/systems/salt-free-water-conditioners)
The Green Wave pays for itself within one year due to savings. You will use less cleaning products and will also save energy because equipment like water heaters, boilers, dishwashers, washing machines etc. work more effectively.
You say in this post
but if you want to use up to 50% or 60% less soaps, cleansers, shampoos, detergents and things like that, your only choice is a salt-based water softener
Which is it? It seems that even amongst yourselves there is confusion on this matter.
I appreciated this blog in educating me further until I started looking at the US Water Systems site in more depth and frankly feel its not much different than the Pelican site making claims that your own experts refute or take exception with.
It would be nice if someone actually did create a true objective standard to hold all system manufacturers to with an actual test as to water quality. A lot of this NSF stuff doesnt speak to water quality at all, it speaks to manufacturing standards.
Hi, I have read most of these comments and, of course, still feel confused. We have tons of scale on our evaporative cooler filters and parts. We have 7.1 grains of hardness, 2500 sq. ft and 4 bathrooms.
I am concerned about the evap cooler, water heater, boiler which has 10 station for radiant heat floors. (Big model). Also am concerned with our drinking water and my dogs and plants. My fridge filtered water is what we currently use but I dont think that its safe for us.
The last person to come over and test the water is recommending the Puronics Micromax 6000 and a RO under the kitchen sink for dogs, plants and our drinking water and ice (as it will go to the refrigerator as well).
PLEASE HELP
Its to bad theres not a simple solution to the hard water problem. I have a deep well that has good smelling great tasting water. the only problem is the water has tons of minerals that causes the pluming to get a lot of white deposits on them. I would like find a reasonable priced water filter system that doesnt use salt. WELCOME TO THE CROWD.
we need a water softener and looking at saltless. One reason is that we cant carry the bags of salt downstairs. But want one that leaves dishes in DW clean & water soft.
what do you recommend?
nancy
NANCY,
You should check out these:
https://www.uswatersystems.com/systems/salt-free-water-conditioners
If you need help in deciding which one is right for you, please give us a call at 800-608-USWA.
Hi, really need help deciding what we need. We have a Pelican whole house filter but still deal with hard water. Our water smells at times and its ruining all our appliances and laundry soap stays on clothes very irritating. We are looking into a water softener but have no idea. I called the people at Safe way and still no reply back so that put a red flag up for me. Are salt water softeners going to do harm longterm? Ive read salt less water softeners really dont soften water at all so Im very confused. Please help .
Thank you for such a quick response really appreciate that!! I will be calling thanks again.:-)
How about reverse osmosis systems? dont them remove calcium and magnesium as well as using no sodium salts? do understand that you will need electricity to run them. your comments on RO will be much appreciated.
Jenny,
Yes, properly applied, a reverse osmosis system removes the calcium and magnesium. To do it for a whole house, you would need a booster pump and may have to have some pre-treatment to prevent the calcium and magnesium from scaling the RO membrane.
Hi Mark.
We just moved into a 3-year old home without a water softener. I used to have a softener using salt or potassium and I used both. This time I am looking at an Enviro Water Products system, Pro-combo 1044. Have you tested one of these and could you give me some comments about the system?
Thank you!
Hi Mark, I live in Orrville Ohio and my wife and I just built a 4000sq ft home with 3.5 bath rooms. If your not familiar with this area, there is a salt mine 4 miles away this we have 3000 ppm salt in our well water along with the usual rust and calcium hard water. Could you recommend a system that can deal with softening first and foremost and if possible what can be used to remove the salt in solution? We have been told no way to remove the salts without expensive RO. Thanks and much appreciated.
Hi Mark,
We are currently upgrading our heating system with a gas-fired boiler. Our well water is unfit to use in this boiler because of high levels or iron and calcium.
Do you recommend using distilled water, or would that leach metal molecules from the stainless steel and copper components?
Would RO water which retain some minerals be a better choice?
Im assuming a neutral pH in both cases.
Thanks.
Can you tell me whether the saltless water conditioners are safe for tankless water heater? Especially since I have learned today the difference between a saltless and salt using water softener/conditioner.
Thanks
I HAVE BEEN SEARCHING FOR THE BEST DEAL ON WATER SOFTENERS TO HELP PROLONG THE LIFE OF MY APPLIANCES. I AM ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE DRINKING WATER AS MY HOUSE IS OLDER AND NOT PLUMBED FOR A SOFTENER IT WILL HAVE TO BE A COMPROMISE PREFERABLY SALT FREE. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY I AM VERY DISCOURAGED HOW PELICAN HAS SENT OUT THERE SPYS TO EVERY BLOG SITE OR WEB POST TO TALK SMACK ABOUT EVERY OTHER BRAND. IM TO THE POINT WHERE I AM JUST GOING TO GIVE UP BECAUSE YOU ARE ALL SO CUT THROAT I DONT KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE OR WHO TO TRUST NOW NO ONE WILL GET MY MONEY. HOPE YOU SELFISH PRICKS ARE HAPPY
Jaran,
Its certainly a free country and you can believe whatever you want, but how are we cut-throat and selfish? We just tell the truth. We sell more salt water softeners than salt-free because of that.
They dont soften water and we dont infiltrate other websites or blogs. We go to great lengths to tell you exactly what a salt-free system will and wont do. Other companies only tell you want it will do and they stretch the truth by a long distance.
I cant change your mind. Only you can do that, but what you say flies in the face of the facts.
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