Confused About Salt-Free Water Conditioners?
Mark, I've read a couple of your posts and it seems to me there are a lot of people out there that are looking for salt-free water softener/conditioner. I've looked at Easy Water and had a response from a representative. I feel that Easy Water doesn't work as it is more or less a gimmick. On the other hand, Pelican* NaturSoft (was looking at combo series) seems plausible but according to what you've mentioned in your posts it doesn't do what the web site stated. The representative I spoke with indicated that the hardness number will not change after the system is installed (which would be a fact) and the minerals would still be present but crystallized so I don't get the hard water side effects.
Does that mean I'd use less soap, etc? And how long would the minerals remain crystallized? Also, the web site indicated that the build up (scale) in the copper pipes will eventually be removed after the system is installed and apparently with water softener the existing scale doesn't go away and it simply slows down the scale build-up. Granted, it's very difficult decision to make and I certainly don't want to make an expensive mistake.
A family friend has water softener for years and she mentioned she has Kinetico. It doesn't require electricity and, apparently, it is replenished with salt once a year. I know Kinetico makes quality systems however I heard they are very expensive, perhaps overpriced. I'm not entirely sold on the idea of the soapy feeling. I'm guessing I need some more answers before I make a decision.
I know I do have hard water and I don't recall the numbers when I had a local company come by to test the water and tried to sell me water softener. When I told the salesman that I will think about it and almost on a daily basis I get a call from him asking whether I have made a decision. He was pretty pushy and I decided to put it off (been a year now) and I know I need a system to treat hard water and prolong appliances that are only a few years old as well as filtered water at every tap. Not to mention, easier to clean in the bathrooms especially the shower stalls.
Thanks for your time. -Ethan
The Water Doctor replied: Ethan, I have been getting this question quite a lot, and so I have decided to re-visit this issue in this blog. The two companies you mentioned (Easy Water and Pelican) are the two main companies that we get questions about, although there are a multitude of other companies selling similar products. First of all, I think that it needs to be established that the two companies you mentioned are what I call "One-Trick-Ponies" and I don't necessarily mean that as a bad thing, I just mean that they basically sell ONE PRODUCT - Salt-Free Water Treatment Systems. Oh, they may say that they have a few other products, but they essentially have one product which they "push." That is the biggest difference between US Water and these companies - we have the largest selection of water treatment products on the planet BECAUSE THERE IS NO ONE TECHNOLOGY WHICH SOLVES EVERY WATER PROBLEM.
Many people say that the Easy Water system, and systems like them do not work. That is not my position - I think there is some validity to the technology, however it does not work like they insinuate, and now we have proof!
First of all, the technology behind Easy Water is Electromagnetic or Radio Frequency (RF). Electromagnetic Technology (ET) consists of a wire wrapped around the water pipe that transmits electronic frequencies (a magnetic field) and claims to precipitate hardness into aragonite crystal, forming a soft scale as opposed to calcite. While the exact mechanism is not clear, it is theorized that dissolved oxygen, silica and the carbonate ion may play a role.
The Pelican system uses a process which may be characterized as similar to Template Assisted Crystallization (TAC). US Water has a product called the Green Wave which utilizes a process substantially the same as TAC, called MEP (Matrix Enabled Particularization). Pelican uses a similar method. Filtersorb SP3 and nextScaleStop are also two similar methods or media. These methods employ a special surface-treated resin bead to act as a catalytic nucleation site for the conversion and growth of hardness crystals, which are subsequently released and remain in solution without forming scale.
In a recent study, funded by the Water Research Foundation (which is still on-going and not yet complete), it was found that the TAC Technology reduced scale by 96.4 percent, while the electromagnetic technology only reduced sale by 41.7%. By my math, the electromagnetic technology was less than half as effective. Do you want a product that reduces scale by 96% or 41%? I think that's an easy answer. Force fields work in Star Trek, but maybe not so well in water treatment!
Assuming that Pelican has viable technology (and I am not saying that they do - just assuming so), I have problems with the way they market their products. On the site where they have their products for sale, they say the following: "The Pelican NaturSoft Salt Free Water Softener is the most environmentally conscious hard water softening/conditioning system available."
According to the Water Quality Association (WQA) "softened water" "is water that contains less than one grain per gallon (gpg) of hardness ions." Therefore, any device that is effective in reducing the water hardness to less than one gpg is a softener. Conversely, and water treatment device that does not reduce the hardness of the water to less than 1 gpg cannot be called a softener and it does not produce soft water. Pelican says that they have "naturally softened water, without salt" and calls their product a water softener. It may condition the water, but it absolutely doesn't soften the water by causing it to contain less than 1 gpg hardness ions. In fact, they go on to say: "The Pelican Natursoft keeps the healthy minerals in the water so you can enjoy naturally softened water." Naturally softened water contains no minerals and they say that they keep the minerals in the water, so the two statements are contradictory and misleading.
Pelican may be a water "conditioner" but to call it a water "softener" is extremely misleading to the consumer. I have tested both Easy Water and Pelican and can find no basis for claims that you will use less soaps and detergents or that you will have whiter and brighter clothes. I know that they have some glowing testimonials, but I wonder if some of the endorsements are by people who have seen these "little green men" as well. Also, when looking at a Pelican NaturSoft Combo System, look at the size of the tanks. On the carbon tank, they say that theirs is 11" x 57.5" for the 15 GPM Model. A tank that size holds 1.5 cu/ft of carbon. Each cubic foot of carbon will successfully treat up to 5 GPM. Oh, you can get more water than that through it, but it won't be properly de-chlorinated. They don't have any specifications on their pre-filter but it looks to be a 4.5" x 10" while the Green Wave has a 4.5" x 20" - Twice the Size! Let's compare the Pelican Combo with the US Water Green Wave Plus:
Pelican | Green Wave | |
Model | PSE-2000 | GWP-1500 |
Maximum Flow Rate | 15 GPM | 15 GPM |
Pre-Filter Size | 4.5 x 10 | 4.5 x 20 |
Pre-Filter Type | String | Pleated |
Carbon Tank | 10 x 54 | 13 x 65 |
Amount of Carbon | 1.5 cu/ft | 3.0 cu/ft |
Scale Tank | 10 x 54 | 10 x 54 |
Cost | $2,349 | $2,295 |
You can't expect to properly de-chlorinate and treat 15 GPM with 1.5 cu/ft of carbon. PERIOD! The Green Wave Plus has a prefilter TWICE THE SIZE, an upflow carbon filter TWICE THE SIZE and costs less. What do you think makes the most sense? You can't cheat "contact time" in carbon filtration. You have to have a properly sized tank and the right quantity of carbon. If not, the water will be wet, but it won't be properly filtered and some contaminants will pass through. Insofar as soft water verses conditioned water, here's a chart as to what each product will do:
So, you have a choice: You can eliminate scale with the proper type of salt-free water conditioner or with a salt-based water softener. Some salt-free conditioners as well as some salt-based water softeners will also remove chorine and chemicals, but if you want to use up to 50% or 60% less soaps, cleansers, shampoos, detergents and things like that, your only choice is a salt-based water softener. It simply isn't happening with a salt-free system, no matter what the people who have seen the little green men say (I call them the "lunatic fringe"). Some people say "I want to be green and don't want to put salt back into the environment." That's a noble thought, and it's not the salt that's the problem, it's the chloride, but let me ask another question:
If you are "green" and don't use salt when you have hard water, you will end up using 50% more soaps, detergents, chemicals and water conditioning chemical compounds and THOSE ARE DISCHARGED BACK INTO THE ENVIRONMENT - Which is worse? Think about it. Maybe now you will understand why we sell a full line of water treatment products, including salt-free water conditioners, as well as salt-based water softeners. We aren't "one-trick-pony" and we tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Michaud, Chubb, Softening Alternatives, Water Conditioning & Purification Journal, January 2011.
* - Pelican is a registered trademark of Pelican Water Technologies.
US Water Systems has no affiliation with the company.
69 Comments
We have a 3 member household in 1450 s. feet all women who likes to feel soft. What is ypour reccomendation for capacity and cost?
Hi Mark,
Interesting info. I am on the hunt for a water softener. From what I have been reading, I think I will pass on the salt-free systems.
Would you compare your Fusion NLT Pro, 068-FNLT, to the Pentair Fleck 5810 XTR2? The local dealer wants $2500.00 installed. Yours for 20 GPM unit is $1500.00. So $1,000.00 less, but i would have to install myself ,or hire an installer.
I would need to run the discharge drain pipe up the wall to 7" high to clear a door frame, then 23 feet along the wall, 90 degree turn then 5 to 10 more feet to be able to tap into the drain pipe in the wall.
Thanks
Bob
Mark-
I have been looking at EasyWater for 2 years; never purchased because I could never find any empirical data showing it works. Yours is the only other salt-free conditioner I have come across.
Heres my story:
I live in the Northeast and have beautiful spring-fed well water. It is hard and it builds up scale in my copper pipes and faucets. All pipes, fixtures and appliances were new 13 years ago and run fine except for scale in pipes, faucets and showerheads. I want to get rid of the scale but do not want to change a thing about the taste or feel of my water. I do not need to use extra soaps or detergents. Our dishes are spotless. (My wife says the white clothes could come out whiter)
I have a whole house filter for sediment only and another filter in the refrigerator. All waste discharges to my undergound cesspools.
So, what is my best option for a salt-free water conditioner to add to my current system that will prevent new scale, remove existing scale and leave everything else the same?
I am looking for a water conditioner that will keep hard water scale off the shower walls and from clogging up the shower head as well as sink stoppers. I do not care about lots of suds and a silky feel to the water. My main concern is hard water deposits making everything difficult to clean. I also prefer not to use salt.
We have 6 grains per gallon of hardness. Would the Green Wave work on this amount of hardness and if so which one would be the most appropriate for a 3 bathroom house?
Any recommendations would be helpful.
What are your views on technology like these http://softerwaterconditioners.com/water-softener/
They are claiming their system will condition for softer water and it is priced low.
One more company that is of same technology is http://watersofteningrsa.co.za/what-is-pth/
Will the Pelican or the Green Wave make our hair and skin soft, as well as our laundry? We have 38 grains of harness here, where weve lived about a year. I noticed the shower only felt slippery some of the time. My hands and hair have become unbelievably dry. Also, our towels are very scratch. Is that from so much potassium salt in the water, or from the softener not working, and too much minerals in the water.Our softener is now on its last legs. I would like a salt-free system, so that I wouldnt have to lug around 40 lb bags. But, with this much hardness, the system has to really work or well end up having to replumb the house.
Im not a plumber or did any big research, just a consumer that purchased an Easy Water over 2 years ago after our very old water softener started leaking, thinking the saltless feature was more environmentally responsible, cheaper to operate, and healthier than drinking salt water. Even though our plumber did an annual flush, our pipes kept getting so built up with scale that the flow rate of our tankless water heater was so low, the heater often wouldnt kick on when taking a shower, unless we would turn on the water at the sink at the same time. We just now purchased a traditional water softener, and the difference is amazing. Hot showers again, with actual water pressure, no calcium deposits on the faucets, I can comb my hair easier. We definitely wasted our money with Easy Water.
Mark, I have read your post with interest and from what I have read I dont think I want a salt less system(was going to buy a pelican model)to get rid buying salt and the furnace guy tells me that the salt conditioners are hard on the boilers) I have 12 grains of hardness, ph is 8.07 and the iron is .8 ml. Any suggestions would a great help. thank you steve
Hi, What is different TAC v.s. TIC Which one is better for water softener. Pelican has TIC media system no need to replace it. Watts use TAC needs to replace. Please let me know which is best for water softner.
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